[21:02] isabell: # 1: you talked about the structure of the conference (themes per day). how will you integrate the devs, design beginners etc?

[21:03] timmillwood: isabell: I don't think we can split the days devs, design, beginners etc.

[21:03] timmillwood: isabell: although I think it would be great to give the days a theme.

[21:03] robertcastelo: We could plan the programming so that there is something for developers, themers, and managers - with each day having an overall sector topic such as Drupal for Publications, Drupal for Marketing, Drupal for Education, Drupal for Government.

[21:04] timmillwood: thanks robertcastelo

[21:04] timmillwood: anyone else on the team have anything to add on theme days?

[21:04] timmillwood: isabell: has this answered your question?

[21:04] isabell: sort of

[21:04] adub: I think sector-based is a good way to integrate these

[21:05] mrsimonelliott: Paris had a day where oe track was based on media/publications

[21:05] dikini: We can have dev, theme, ... sessions within the sector framework

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[21:05] timmillwood: I think the tracks will break up beginners, devs, designers etc. but the days will break up sectors.

[21:05] isabell: yes, but the media day only concerned the business track itself and not the others

[21:05] mrsimonelliott: sessoins were on a variety of levels and for different profiles

[21:05] robertcastelo: dikini: exactly

[21:06] timmillwood: adub: your question is next.

[21:06] isabell: so, only some tracks are concerned directly with each division?

[21:06] robertcastelo: no, they would all fit

[21:07] isabell: can you give an example please?

[21:07] dikini: Let's say drupal for NGOs

[21:07] timmillwood: I think the themes will ultimately dictated by the sessions submitted, they can then be groups into tracks and days to give the themes.

[21:08] dikini: Within the day, there can be case studies of developed sites, campaigns, ...

[21:08] robertcastelo: Publications would include the Economist presentation, a theming track, something on views, nodeque...

[21:08] smoothstr1: I think I wrote that section: what I had in mind was that we have several different audiences - internal - themers, designers, developers, - and external companies looking at drupal, hosting. In London the Themed meetings have been great at getting people in. I wanted to highlight those, but knowing that we would integrate sessions for the internal audience - the core drupalcon people. I see those runningboth acro

[21:09] smoothstr1: When I wrote it, I was imagining - 'everything you need to know for an ngo on drupal';

[21:09] isabell: i am still confused, but feel free to move on

[21:09] smoothstr1: that means that some sessions would be repeated across the week, because we'd have ngo people attending for 1 dayy

[21:09] smoothstr1: So we'd have to have sessions for beginners each day

[21:10] isabell: but those sessions would concern the themes?

[21:10] adub: The London sector-based events have attracted people from design to dev to business. The main limitation has been not having the separate tracks.

[21:10] smoothstr1: some

[21:10] robertcastelo: right, so if you didn't know there was a topic they would seem like a good spread of presentations - theming, development, configuration

[21:10] smoothstr1: yes

[21:10] dikini: we should prepare an example two day programme I think, pictures will speak louder...

[21:10] smoothstr1: good idea

[21:10] soulston: rather than a session maybe you would be better with a drop in area for NGO's

[21:10] isabell: that owuld be great

[21:11] robertcastelo: but at same time they fit an overall topic

[21:11] isabell: no, i am confused about how it will fit together

[21:11 ] isabell: alright

[21:11] smoothstr1: I'll draw a plan as an example of what I meant when I wrote it.

[21:11] kvantomme: I think some validation is probably a good idea, but if it works it could be powerful...

[21:11] kvantomme: just be careful with extra overhead

[21:11] timmillwood: on the drop in area, there could be a genius bar, (like apple) which builds on the idea of Drupal angels from paris.

[21:12] dikini: isabell: it the end apart from case studies and examples, the rest is vertically agnostic, that is theming will fit everywhere

[21:12] soulston: yes

[21:12] kvantomme: if you end up organizing 4-5 conferences in 1 with loads of people running in and out all the time, that might make things way more complex

[21:12] robertcastelo: we've already been doing it London with one day events on each topic

[21:12] isabell: ok, that is what i thought

[21:12] isabell: alright, quesiton answered, thanks

[21:12] smoothstr1: yes - a conference for circa 2000 people is going to be complex if we don't want the room sizes to get big

[21:13] timmillwood: robertcastelo: Do you have a question? Then it's kvantomme.

[21:13] robertcastelo: nope

[21:13] kvantomme: Then I'll take one:

[21:13] timmillwood: kvantomme: Your question? then isabell

[21:13] kvantomme: How coherent is your team - how do you plan to integrate the different teams?

[21:14] kvantomme: e.g. I've seen people from different areas in your proposal, it's sometimes hard to integrate existing teams

[21:14] timmillwood: kvantomme: All our teams have their special skill, and we all talk often via IRC on #drupaluk, so we are a close knit group.

[21:14] anthonyalbertyn: I am Cambridge base but often attend London events

[21:15] timmillwood: kvantomme: We all met up at Drupalcamp UK as he whole UK community, the smaller groups meet more often in person.

[21:15] isabell: can i add a question to that?

[21:15] timmillwood: isabell: yes

[21:16] isabell: who will be the one overviewing everything, coordinating all team members?

[21:16] smoothstr1: At the time of writing we hadn't decided

[21:16] kvantomme: I had a similar question

[21:16] smoothstr1: If it was going to be incambridge, I volunteered

[21:16] kvantomme: it's really important you find 2 people who can be co-leads

[21:17] smoothstr1: I want the budget to include paying 3 core organisers

[21:17] timmillwood: isabell: I think there are key members who are already shining from the team.

[21:17] robertcastelo: I'll definitely volunteer

[21:17] smoothstr1: in the months leading up to the event

[21:17] robertcastelo: we want 2 people per key role minimum for redundancy, also we all know each other pretty well

[21:17] robertcastelo: so should agree

[21:17] timmillwood: I would like to see someone london based like robertcastelo taking the main lead.

[21:18] smoothstr1: regarding integration: the london people have workd together, and we know the others. Some of us also involved in running events professionally, and have experience of adhoc teams

[21:18] adub: Certainly robert and jeff (smoothstr) have everyone's support

[21:18] timmillwood: I'd love to take the lead, but over two hours from london, it just isn't practical.

[21:19] robertcastelo: we have an old and well established London community

[21:19] anthonyalbertyn: I am happy to back robertcastelo and smoothstr up

[21:19] kvantomme: gabor was 3 hours away from Szeged in Hungary

[21:19] isabell: what about the hours that you can put in?

[21:19] dikini: and the time allowance should allow for smoothing the kinks

[21:19] smoothstr1: it's not essential that the key organisers are in the same place, but it helps

[21:19] robertcastelo: which includes professional event organisers

[21:19] robertcastelo: like Aicha

[21:19] smoothstr1: You have to do venue visits regularly

[21:19] isabell: what about the hours that you can put in?

[21:20] smoothstr1: but apart from that, location isn't critical.

[21:20] anthonyalbertyn: I can put in 15 hours a week

[21:20] timmillwood: isabell: We have specifically chosen 2011 so we can put in the most hours possible.

[21:20] smoothstr1: that's why I would like 3 core organisers time to be paid leading up.

[21:20] robertcastelo: if we can schedule it we should be able to get quite a lot of volunteer time

[21:20] robertcastelo: that's why we proposed for 2011

[21:21] smoothstr1: it's a full time job for the 5 months leading up to the event.

[21:21] smoothstr1: but it does depend on the amount of work that blue project take on

[21:21] timmillwood: isabell: with Mark and me from mark boulton design on the team we plan on putting in a good ammount of work time to help out with Drupalcon, as I bet you did with AF83.

[21:21] robertcastelo: I already put in 2 full days a week into community tasks

[21:22] robertcastelo: I can just switch the focus of that

[21:22] adub: I can put in 8-15 hours a week

[21:22] isabell: i did a bit more than help ou

[21:22] isabell: out*

[21:22] smoothstr1: heh

[21:22] timmillwood: isabell: ok, and I'm sure we will too.

[21:22] smoothstr1: isabel: how many months beforehand were you full time on it?

[21:23] smoothstr1: sorry isabell

[21:23] isabell: 4

[21:23] mrsimonelliott: Isabell: are you asking if we have people willing to commit full time for the lead up?

[21:23] smoothstr1: and it wasn't enough?

[21:23] isabell: no, I am asking how the distribution among you will be

[21:24] isabell: and you will need two people full time on it leading up to the conference

[21:24] isabell: smoothstr1: as kvantomme said. there should be 2 co-leads

[21:24] smoothstr1: Actually, I think we will want 3 cores leading up.

[21:25] isabell: smoothstr1: the better

[21:25] smoothstr1: by that I mean 3 core team members

[21:25] robertcastelo: how was it possible to work on it full time for 54 months? Sponsorship?

[21:25] isabell: but u will also have a bit more time to prepare and sort this out

[21:25] robertcastelo: *4*

[21:25] smoothstr1: I think i wrote into the proposal that we would want the core people paid.

[21:25] isabell: robertcastelo: AF "sponsored" me

[21:26] isabell: but, back to you guys

[21:26] isabell: i have my question answered

[21:26] smoothstr1: that's how we think those people will be able to work on it

[21:26] timmillwood: Mark Boulton Design will be sponsoring some of my and marks time.

[21:26] robertcastelo: if that's going to be happening at every Drupalcon why not build it into the upfront costs?

[21:27] isabell: robertcastelo: is this Q directed to kvantomme and me?

[21:27] robertcastelo: yes

[21:27] kvantomme: I think this depends on your proposal

[21:27] isabell: farriss: do you have thoughts on this?

[21:27] kvantomme: e.g. this might be a sort of sponsorship agreement

[21:28] kvantomme: e.g. AF got a sponsor package for the invested time and materials, right Isabell?

[21:28] farriss: isabell: I think it's something that the DA needs to look at more closely to establish what level of contribution qualifies for a sponsorship in kind

[21:29] smoothstr1: the budget on the event is large enough to cover employing the core team: i think that sponsorship packages are another part of budgeting, and i don't think that sponsorship should cover the core part of organising an event

[21:29] isabell: also, remember that the DA is rebuilding this process and the structure. this is a valid suggestion and I think they are looking into it

[21:29] isabell: kvantomme: no

[21:29] kvantomme: In Szeged, Acquia still payed the full sum for Platinum and I "only" asked for a silver sponsorship

[21:29] farriss: definitely. It's my understanding that af83 because of the sponsorship for isabell's time got a sponsorship, but that Dev Seed paid for their DCDC sponsorship

[21:30] robertcastelo: if we need people to work full time on this for 4 month we should pay them

[21:30] smoothstr1: we do for an event of this size.

[21:30] robertcastelo: and have it as an expected expense

[21:30] timmillwood: robertcastelo: or pay the company they work for.

[21:31] robertcastelo: yep

[21:31] anthonyalbertyn: i agree, because every year the events will get bigger

[21:31] isabell: farriss: it was not just because of me... but this is not for discussion here

[21:31] smoothstr1: we will be able to be firmer on a budget once we've had a conversation about venue. budget is mostly contingent on the venue choice - that dirves ticket price.

[21:31] timmillwood: The company could then return this payment for a sponsorship.

[21:31] farriss: I think there are two separate questions here: 1) what consideration do shops that subsidize considerable organizing time get and 2) event staff. I believe that the idea is that Blue Project will be fulfilling the full-time coordination role in an enhanced capacity from what they did in Paris.

[21:31] smoothstr1: dirves = drives

[21:31] dikini: well, we should budget it

[21:32] timmillwood: shall we move on, and discuss this on g.d.o?

[21:32] farriss: isabell: absolutely (and I obviously had no problem with that af83 was awesome and I'm very thankful they did so much!)

[21:32] smoothstr1: we all do - shows loves for af83.

[21:34] isabell: can you explain more about the ticket pricing system you envision (ie the management around it)?

[21:34] smoothstr1: sure: because we have different themed days, we think we will catch many more people who want to there for part of the event

[21:34] robertcastelo: we've done some preliminary research on price, and an example is included in our proposal. We may be in a better position to have more serious

[21:34] robertcastelo: discussion about price with venues once we know for sure that London will host DrupalCon 2011.

[21:35] timmillwood: isabell: Attendees should be able to pay a different amount for the days they attend.

[21:35] smoothstr1: we want to capture those people with a ticket that is reasonably priced for 1 day

[21:35] farriss: so the idea is some tickets be set aside for single-day purchase only?

[21:36] robertcastelo: yes, we want to get in organisation that are interested enough to come for one day, but maybe not the whole event

[21:36] smoothstr1: we want to make sure the difference between the price doesn't make people buy full price tickets so that they can attend 2 days

[21:36] robertcastelo: *organisations and individuals*

[21:36] smoothstr1: we'd rather sell to people who WERE going to be there for the full time

[21:36] smoothstr1: but to bring in new interest we must make it affordable as an easy spend

[21:37] smoothstr1: for the single days

[21:37] isabell: how will this influence the overall attendance?

[21:37] smoothstr1: So we would set up a ratio of tickets and open sale of them at different times.

[21:37] timmillwood: isabell: I think it will allow more people to be part of Drupalcon.

[21:37] kvantomme: what about the management overhead, it's already hard now to keep people out that don't have a pass

[21:38] smoothstr1: Bades will have colour codes

[21:38] smoothstr1: badges. they will also have barcodes.

[21:38] smoothstr1: colour codes will indicate days.

[21:38] kvantomme: k

[21:38] isabell: ok

[21:38] soulston: so you will need security to police the badges?

[21:39] smoothstr1: yes - at the entrance

[21:39] timmillwood: kvantomme: I'd like to see a stricter control on tickets, this will allow us to limit people to different parts of the venue, and different days.

[21:39] adub: it's an established model in other event contexts

[21:39] smoothstr1: this is possible, and not too difficult, depending on the number of sub events

[21:39] dikini: and we will be required on health and saftey grounds anyway

[21:40] smoothstr1: we can put info on the badge, if there are a few. otherwise we have to use scanners as entry control: but in my experience entry control is not as much of a problem as you think it will be

[21:40] kvantomme: I haven't seen much about disabled people and the "green" dimension do you want to elaborate a bit on that?

[21:40] kvantomme: disabled - e.g. accessibility

[21:40] adub: As this venue is built around event management I think we could use their staff and systems if required

[21:41] robertcastelo: accessibility laws are very strict in the UK and tightly enforced

[21:41] timmillwood: kvantomme: the UK's policies on accessibility are quite tight, that we shouldn't have to worry about this too much.

[21:41] mrsimonelliott: kvantomme: all public building in the UK have to be accessible

[21:41] smoothstr1: Disabled access: all public buildings are required to have disabled access.

[21:41] kvantomme: hehe, I guess that's unanimous

[21:42] isabell: i would also like to join the second part of the question: the green aspect

[21:42] kvantomme: what about the "green stuff"?

[21:42] mrsimonelliott: unless thy have very special historic architectural reason why it's not poss

[21:42] robertcastelo: We will be consulting local experts to give us advice on green stuff

[21:42] smoothstr1: the only time that they can get away with not having it is if it is a grade 1 listed building, I think, which is impossible to alter without destroying structure

[21:42] timmillwood: on the side of being green, we want to be as green as possible.

[21:42] robertcastelo: we have good relationship with Greenpeace UK

[21:42] robertcastelo: we will also try to source FairTrade where possible.

[21:43] timmillwood: green questions answered?

[21:43] timmillwood: if so, isabell is next.

[21:43] smoothstr1: I am a member of Cambridge Energy - which looks at energy issues: we have some experts in the area as members. I may be able to persuade some consultancy.

[21:43] adub: http://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/visitor-info...

[21:44] smoothstr1: I didn't put this in teh bid: because it's contingent.

[21:44] kvantomme: I know it's a hard one, I'm asking because that's a weak point now in your proposal, both other proposals had a much better elaboration on the issu

[21:44] timmillwood: isabell: "heated" ?

[21:44] kvantomme: e

[21:44] isabell: next?

[21:44] Druplicon: next: http://php.net/next

[21:44] mrsimonelliott: whilst we can make efforts to green the actual conference the biggest cost in CO2 is the transport of participants to the host city

[21:45] smoothstr1: We can cost out the CO2 - we can make the ticket price include a carbon offset.

[21:45] isabell: but have u thought about things that you could do during the event?

[21:45] robertcastelo: the reality of making the conference green will be in the details

[21:45] smoothstr1: we didn't include it because we don't yet know enough to be confident of the cost

[21:45] isabell: ok

[21:45] timmillwood: I think everyone want to be as green as possible, but we also want a great Drupalcon at a great price. It's all about finding the best of everything, and this will be discussed and ironed out during each part of the planning.

[21:46] timmillwood: isabell: Your next question?

[21:46] smoothstr1: Regarding the during the conference: of course we'll use recyclable components wherever possible

[21:46] isabell: can u talk about the business side more? companies, trade show...

[21:46] gregharvey_eee: timmillwood, at least people coming from Europe can get the train direct these days - that's got to be a big deal

[21:47] gregharvey_eee: I TGV + Eurostar it to London from Avignon these days

[21:47] timmillwood: isabell: I would love to see Drupalcon London be as much an Expo as a conference.

[21:47] smoothstr1: (Side note: Cambridge Energy Forum showed it depends on the occupancy rate and the type of train. Travel on planes is sometimes better folks)

[21:47] isabell: how so? what is the idea?

[21:48] timmillwood: we have Microsoft, Sony, Warner Bros, Amnesty international, Greenpeace etc all based in london, and all with a drupal connect.

[21:48] timmillwood: we'd like to invite them all to to be a part of Drupalcon.

[21:48] adub: I already have firm interest from IPC Media (time warner) and a large local recruitment firm

[21:48] robertcastelo: one day tickets, and focus on sector for each day would engage with organisations considering/using Drupal

[21:48] gregharvey_eee: timmillwood and Economist

[21:48] adub: And I'm pretty sure The Economist

[21:48] farriss: but I didn't see expo space at least in the Southbank Centre venue

[21:49] anthonyalbertyn: having and expo will draw in media interst

[21:49] matason: just to come in on the green issue, London should be getting 6,000 hire bikes by next summer

[21:49] robertcastelo: matason: good point

[21:50] isabell: can u elaborate on the exhibition and what u imagined?

[21:50] smoothstr1: Drupal is a growing ecosystem - I don't think we can support an exhibition through the whole event - but we can use the same space for events and free events.

[21:50] timmillwood: farriss: The south bank center has many venues along the south bank of london. This is also right next venues. Therefore splitting the conference and expo could be an option.

[21:50] joachim_: what can we do on the green front for conference itself?

[21:50] robertcastelo: sponsorship for a London DrupalCon is very certain

[21:51] isabell: what about the job fair?

[21:51] smoothstr1: To be a useful exhibition we need at least 20 exhibitors.

[21:52] timmillwood: isabell: I see the job fair closely related to the expo.

[21:52] isabell: how?

[21:52] dikini: http://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/venues/venue...

[21:52] robertcastelo: a lot of the activity of the job fair should be done in advance online on the DrupalCon London site

[21:53] dikini: there is expo space@sb

[21:53] adub: the big london companies are very hungry for Drupal talent and will definitely come for this

[21:53] smoothstr1: and we need a buying public - the buying public are attending the show - particularly so when we have themed days.

[21:53] timmillwood: isabell: many of the exhibitors will be looking for new develops.

[21:53] adub: also the recruitment agencies

[21:53] gregharvey_eee: dikini, good shout - that space is HUGE

[21:54] robertcastelo: there are so many recruitment agencies here hungry for skilled Drupal people

[21:54] gregharvey_eee: massive Drupal skills shortage in London

[21:54] smoothstr1: but I'd like to caution: this is contingent on us getting the south bank at a reasonable price.

[21:54] gregharvey_eee: Drupal devs get 20-30% better contract rates than PHPers

[21:54] smoothstr1: The venue is critical in budget.

[21:54] gregharvey_eee: in my experience

[21:54] dikini: • dikini moves to london

[21:55] adub: the venue will be very attractive to businesses

[21:55] smoothstr1: yes - there are other venue options too - if we can't get south bank at reasonable price.

[21:55] timmillwood: looking for more hands.

[21:56] robertcastelo: there are quite a few big venues

[21:56] smoothstr1: The venue price drives what space we can have: the exhibition will only work if it brings a good profit for the event

[21:57] adub: one thing worth pointing out is that we can get 2500 people in a room so everyone can attend keynotes together

[21:57] gregharvey_eee: in London venue prices are high, but sponsorship options are probably higher still

[21:57] kvantomme: in Szeged the exhibition didn't work, but of course that was Szeged, you can't compare that to London

[21:57] robertcastelo: should point out that London has quite a few big venues that host a large event like this

[21:58] smoothstr1: We are reasonably confident that we have potential space buyers - recruitment, drupal shops, people using drupal - and we have an audience receptive to potential exhibitors - provided the costs are right.

[21:58] robertcastelo: one of our main considerations was finding venues with a room big enough to host large keynotes

[21:59] gregharvey_eee: timmillwood, wondering - how much research has been done in to the level of sponsorhips that could be raised?

[21:59] gregharvey_eee: i mean, I suspect it's high

[21:59] gregharvey_eee: it could facilitate a larger vennue

[21:59] smoothstr1: it's not a good plan to make the whole event contingent on sponsorship

[21:59] timmillwood: gregharvey_eee: I think some of the UK's largest potential sponsors are our clients.

[22:00] gregharvey_eee: smoothstr1, they all are, AFAIK ...

[22:00] smoothstr1: it introduces a very big risk

[22:00] kvantomme: sponsorship is DA territory, but you could of course suggest that it could be higher

[22:00] gregharvey_eee: I *heard* (correct me if I'm wrong) most of the Paris money was sponsors....? perhaps that's wrong

[22:00] smoothstr1: ticket price must cover core costs.

[22:00] isabell: me too

[22:01] gregharvey_eee: timmillwood, point is, I think so too, but has it been identified, can we guide the DA?

[22:01] timmillwood: gregharvey_eee: I think we can guide the DA about sponsors, kvantomme is this right?

[22:02] isabell: how many sessions do u intend to have at the same time?

[22:02] robertcastelo: if we can get good media coverage of the event that might make more expensive sponsorship more attractive?

[22:02] dikini: gregharvey_eee: both - sponsorships and tickets are risky

[22:02] timmillwood: isabell: I would vote no more than 4

[22:02] kvantomme: you can always make suggestions of course

[22:03] timmillwood: isabell: these would be on carefully tailored themes so we don't get a situation where someone wants to goto two at the same time.

[22:03] isabell: in your proposal you wrote this "Compared to Paris, we hope to have many more parallel sessions, in smaller rooms, with different speakers talking to similar topics."

[22:03] robertcastelo: 4-5 depending on the venue

[22:03] smoothstr1: yes

[22:04] gregharvey_eee: dikini, sure, putting on a conference is risky... good job the DA has loads of money!

[22:04] robertcastelo: more BOF sessions is important

[22:04] timmillwood: isabell: I think these smaller sessions would not be classes as official sessions, but sub sessions falling into robertcastelo's "Drupal for" sections.

[22:04] isabell: ok

[22:04] smoothstr1: isabell: yes - the audience for drupal is growing but that means also the number of people we have who are qualified to talk. keeping these people happy is important too.

[22:04] isabell: so more BoF sessions types?

[22:05] robertcastelo: would be completely self organising

[22:05] isabell: alright

[22:05] isabell: thanks

[22:05] smoothstr1: a bigger audience with same sized rooms means more talks in parallel

[22:05] timmillwood: these could be organised before Drupalcon.

[22:05] isabell: ok

[22:05] smoothstr1: but the topics remain the same - across the streams - hence wht I wrote about speakers talking to similar topics

[22:06] smoothstr1: regarding bofs: i would also like to see many more events where people interact

[22:06] mortendk: okay one simple question

[22:06] smoothstr1: meeting other people is the consistent reason that people give for attending conferences

[22:06] dikini: and code/hack spaces

[22:07] mortendk: is UK really ready for taking on a drupalcon

[22:07] anthonyalbertyn: yes

[22:07] smoothstr1: and we want to make sure that we provide a setting for this,

[22:07] timmillwood: mortendk: Yes for 2011.

[22:07] mortendk: timmillwood: but http://groups.drupal.org/node/27630

[22:07] Druplicon: http://groups.drupal.org/node/27630 => Cambridge DrupalCon 2012 => 0 comments, 1 IRC mention

[22:07] mortendk: tells me 2012

[22:07] smoothstr1: this means workshops, bofs, and coffeeshop meetings.

[22:07] timmillwood: mortendk: do you doubt us.

[22:07] matason: mortendk: and I thought you might have a serious question

[22:07] mortendk: timmillwood: yes i do

[22:07] robertcastelo: we've been doing a lot of 100+ events throughout the last 2 years

[22:08] mortendk: nope that is serious - i dont doubt that you can do it

[22:08] mortendk: but

[22:08] robertcastelo: added up they would count as more than one DrupalCon already!

[22:09] timmillwood: mortendk: We had a lot more support from the Drupal community than we expected, therefore proving we can do it for 2011.

[22:09] mortendk: timmillwood: besides that uk wasnt sure where to have it ?

[22:09] adub: mortendk: we are spoiled for choice

[22:09] robertcastelo: mortendk: I always try to get as much lead time from clients as possible ;-)

[22:09] matason: mortendk: that's because we have so many great options!

[22:09] mortendk: just queastion we need to ask our self

[22:10] smoothstr1: I'm not worried about the Uk potential to deliver a great dcon.

[22:10] gregharvey_eee: mortendk, that's cos we have more than one city.....

[22:10] kvantomme: I guess what Morten is steering at is the following question: would you also be willing to hold Drupalcon in 2012?

[22:10] mortendk: but then why not 2010?

[22:10] timmillwood: would do Drupalcon 2010, but robertcastelo wouldn't let me.

[22:10] robertcastelo: mortendk: we have more than one potential city in the UK

[22:10] smoothstr1: i voted for 2010

[22:10] dikini: and can time travel in policeboxes

[22:10] gregharvey_eee: lol

[22:11] smoothstr1: heh.

[22:11] timmillwood: kvantomme: I don't think the Drupal community would want to pay olympics prices in london for 2012.

[22:11] kvantomme: hehe, good point

[22:11] smoothstr1: we could easily have pulled it off for 2010, but the vote was that we should delay to 2011 to give copenhagen a fair run at it.

[22:11] mortendk: i dont question UK and their abilities - im only about the years

[22:11] adub: mortendk: because we have some of the biggest companies in the world as potential sponsors and they need to budget a long way ahead

[22:11] anthonyalbertyn: the problem with 2010 would be that london venues are popular and booked well in advance

[22:11] robertcastelo: mortendk: Drupal work is off the chart in UK, specially London - which means we are all booked up for months to come

[22:11] gregharvey_eee: I think robertcastelo is right... it's fair to say organising 2010 in London would be doable, but 2011 gives London time to really blow the Drupal community away

[22:12] mortendk: adub: so its all about the money and not what you can give the con

[22:12] robertcastelo: 2010 would have been tough to reschedule work we've already taken on

[22:12] adub: mortendk: it's about what they can give to the con

[22:12] isabell: I am calling it a night. thank you for this session. I hope to read the rest on gdo. bye everyone

[22:12] matason: night isabell

[22:12] kvantomme: bye Isabell

[22:12] gregharvey_eee: all the UK Drupal companies are *stacked* ... we need more heads up time to help, robertcastelo's right

[22:13] mortendk: wooot ony an hour

[22:13] robertcastelo: night Isabell

[22:13] isabell: nighty night

[22:13] timmillwood: any other hands or shall we all have an early night?