I wouldn't really expect it to increase quite so drastically but I have been working on the assumption of around 800 people (and hedging my bets for 650). Whether or not the DA accepts both a North American *and* a European con will affect numbers.
Fair enough, but I wouldn't like to budget based on that purely because sooner or later, it's going to level out unless we expect 2010 to see 3600 and so on. I would, however, like to aim to have space for that number of people.
1800 in 2009 would seriously cut down our options for venues that are big enough but it would give us more bargaining power with regard to rates.
Am I right in thinking that Barcelona's main room only held 200? I've so far been looking for somewhere with a main room to fit at least 75% of the membersip which could then be split into two or more smaller rooms for flexibility. How many people do you think we need to get in that main room?
We're likely to need external suppliers for this and I've been budgeting accordingly. Most venues do not have the wi-fi capacity we need and many of them are using suppliers like BT Openzone which would complicate using the onsite access - it's damn expensive for a start.
I think everyone wants to come to London, specially those people who've never been to the UK before.
Problem with London is that it's so damn big, there's almost no chance of bumping into other Drupal people the way we did in Barcelona and previous Drupal conferences.
It would be good to find a location that has everything we need in one place so that it can be the hub of activity, and people can plan meet ups in other parts of town.
So ideally:
Venue
Hotels
Restaurants
Pubs
Transport links to centre
Character
Character of the area makes a big difference, but is hard to scope.
Somewhere like Greenwich would be pretty amazing - wonder how much Millenium Dome costs to hire
I've been looking at the University of Greenwich but they're yet to get back to me (despite e-mails, the website form and a phone message), I'll try ringing them again and see if I can get a human being.
I'm struggling on London venues at the moment because of the short lead-in time combined with the cost of London in general. The venues that are big enough for us want absurd amounts of money (more than £40,000 in room hire alone for a couple of places) so the best way with that is either a university venue (all the central ones are lacking in availability but are options should we give up on 2008 and go for 2009) or a hotel who will give us free room hire in return for bedroom bookings.
The problem again is that many of them are already booked but I still have the London Hilton Metropole and Hilton Park Lane to contact. Plus Grosvenor House might be big enough and there's the Renaissance London Marriott at Heathrow.
Accomodation in London is expensive, so if we could block book hotel accomodation to get a discount, that might make the difference for some people who might not otherwise be able to aford to attend.
My guess is that half (?) of attendees would be interested in a block booking. Not ony do they get a discount, but they get to stay in same hotel as other Drupal people.
If we can get a suitable venue, 2008 wouldn't be a problem. We planned the 2007 Eastercon in less than six months and the first three months of that was spent getting a venue. It's also looking rather like there won't be a North American con and at the moment, there's only us and Hungary looking at running DrupalCon in 2008 - I haven't heard anything about Hungary lately.
The Association requires it to be later in the year so I've been looking at September - November.
The announcement of Hungary's DrupalCon also requested proposals for 2009 so time to get back into gear and pick it up a notch I think.
So, European DrupalCon's go in the second half of the year giving us July to December. I was going to list the pros and cons of each month but they all rather balance each other out so - what's the best time for us? Is August bank holiday worth looking at (usually lower rates from business hotels)?
This is a preliminary budget based on other events I've run as well as quotes received from suppliers. Anyone is able to view it, but not edit for now. If you've got comments/changes/hysterical laughter etc. please let me know.
I would personally anticipate a VERY big turn-out in London, for two reasons.
1. Drupal gathers weight every year - I know as a teacher and a Drupal developer - my work is constant and I turn a lot of work down, as I'm sure you all do, and I get more and more enquiries, for training and development, without doing any advertising.
2. London is one of those places on everyone's list to visit. It really is one of the world's first cities and it's amazing how many people want to come here. It's reputation as a city is incredible and I would not underestimate how many folk will make the effort. Europe, for sure, but also from many other places, US, Commonwealth countries and more.
Is anyone putting together sponsorship packages? I wouldn't mind working on that if you think it would be useful...?
Attendees
DrupalCon attendance roughly doubles every year, and in Barcelona this year there where 450 people.
So if we do 2008 we can expect around 900 people.
If we do 2009 we should expect about 1,800 attendees.
I wouldn't really expect it
I wouldn't really expect it to increase quite so drastically but I have been working on the assumption of around 800 people (and hedging my bets for 650). Whether or not the DA accepts both a North American *and* a European con will affect numbers.
Exponential Growth
Antwerp: 25
Amsterdam: 50
Brussels : 150
Barcelona: 450
http://buytaert.net/drupalcon-barcelona-wrapup
Fair enough, but I wouldn't
Fair enough, but I wouldn't like to budget based on that purely because sooner or later, it's going to level out unless we expect 2010 to see 3600 and so on. I would, however, like to aim to have space for that number of people.
1800 in 2009 would seriously cut down our options for venues that are big enough but it would give us more bargaining power with regard to rates.
Am I right in thinking that Barcelona's main room only held 200? I've so far been looking for somewhere with a main room to fit at least 75% of the membersip which could then be split into two or more smaller rooms for flexibility. How many people do you think we need to get in that main room?
Wifi
We will need reliable, free wifi at the conference venue for all attendees.
We're likely to need
We're likely to need external suppliers for this and I've been budgeting accordingly. Most venues do not have the wi-fi capacity we need and many of them are using suppliers like BT Openzone which would complicate using the onsite access - it's damn expensive for a start.
Venue
Conference venue should have several conference rooms, with projectors and seating.
We need a mix of different size rooms so we can allocate rooms by popularity.
Video and audio facilities to record sessons would be a plus.
Space(s) for break out sessions would also be necessary - this was the most useful part of the conference for me.
Also, we need a lounge area where people can go and do a bit of work on their own.
Location
I think everyone wants to come to London, specially those people who've never been to the UK before.
Problem with London is that it's so damn big, there's almost no chance of bumping into other Drupal people the way we did in Barcelona and previous Drupal conferences.
It would be good to find a location that has everything we need in one place so that it can be the hub of activity, and people can plan meet ups in other parts of town.
So ideally:
Character of the area makes a big difference, but is hard to scope.
Somewhere like Greenwich would be pretty amazing - wonder how much Millenium Dome costs to hire
I've been looking at the
I've been looking at the University of Greenwich but they're yet to get back to me (despite e-mails, the website form and a phone message), I'll try ringing them again and see if I can get a human being.
I'm struggling on London venues at the moment because of the short lead-in time combined with the cost of London in general. The venues that are big enough for us want absurd amounts of money (more than £40,000 in room hire alone for a couple of places) so the best way with that is either a university venue (all the central ones are lacking in availability but are options should we give up on 2008 and go for 2009) or a hotel who will give us free room hire in return for bedroom bookings.
The problem again is that many of them are already booked but I still have the London Hilton Metropole and Hilton Park Lane to contact. Plus Grosvenor House might be big enough and there's the Renaissance London Marriott at Heathrow.
Accomodation
Many people will make their own arrangements.
Accomodation in London is expensive, so if we could block book hotel accomodation to get a discount, that might make the difference for some people who might not otherwise be able to aford to attend.
My guess is that half (?) of attendees would be interested in a block booking. Not ony do they get a discount, but they get to stay in same hotel as other Drupal people.
Dates
Do we aim for conference in 2008 or 2009?
What's the best time of the year?
2009
I know the Barcelona conference took 3 people 3 years to plan out and make it happen. So I'm cautious about aiming for 2008.
We want the planning and organisation work to be enjoyable - tight deadlines are no fun.
2008
If we can get a suitable venue, 2008 wouldn't be a problem. We planned the 2007 Eastercon in less than six months and the first three months of that was spent getting a venue. It's also looking rather like there won't be a North American con and at the moment, there's only us and Hungary looking at running DrupalCon in 2008 - I haven't heard anything about Hungary lately.
The Association requires it to be later in the year so I've been looking at September - November.
Alright then...2009
So since there's a Boston DrupalCon and given the fact I still don't have a venue that can do 2008...I think you're right - 2009 is the ticket.
Dates - 2nd Half 2009
The announcement of Hungary's DrupalCon also requested proposals for 2009 so time to get back into gear and pick it up a notch I think.
So, European DrupalCon's go in the second half of the year giving us July to December. I was going to list the pros and cons of each month but they all rather balance each other out so - what's the best time for us? Is August bank holiday worth looking at (usually lower rates from business hotels)?
Budget
Adding this as a consideration. We will need to look at everything else to work out costs first.
I'll tidy up my current
I'll tidy up my current spreadsheet into something coherent and make that available later today.
DrupalCon Boston budget:
DrupalCon Boston budget: http://boston2008.drupalcon.org/drupalcon-budget
Thanks
Very useful information.
DrupalCon Budget
This is a preliminary budget based on other events I've run as well as quotes received from suppliers. Anyone is able to view it, but not edit for now. If you've got comments/changes/hysterical laughter etc. please let me know.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pzZHrd7gGGatRJSstdBcxIg&hl=en
More useful
More useful info:
http://groups.drupal.org/boston2008
London is Go!
Good to see the wheels are in motion! =)
I would personally anticipate a VERY big turn-out in London, for two reasons.
1. Drupal gathers weight every year - I know as a teacher and a Drupal developer - my work is constant and I turn a lot of work down, as I'm sure you all do, and I get more and more enquiries, for training and development, without doing any advertising.
2. London is one of those places on everyone's list to visit. It really is one of the world's first cities and it's amazing how many people want to come here. It's reputation as a city is incredible and I would not underestimate how many folk will make the effort. Europe, for sure, but also from many other places, US, Commonwealth countries and more.
Is anyone putting together sponsorship packages? I wouldn't mind working on that if you think it would be useful...?
Rgds,
Greg
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http://www.drupaler.co.uk
Re: Sponsorship Packages
That'd be great if you want to start putting something together, that bit's not been dealt with yet. Let me know what you come up with!
Cool
Hi,
Sorry for delay - need to change my settings so I get email updates or something... will do! =)
Greg
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http://www.drupaler.co.uk